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Argus Oil lubrication pump / distributors drawings
10.10.2015 um 00:54:11
 
Smiley Hi Jim Allen Here in Tacoma Washington. I am searching for details for the Argus central lubrication  pump and oil distributers. In particular I need the correct size of the o- Ring seals in the pump and a source of supply for the rubber pistons for the  lubrication distributors.  Thanks to this forum the Vogel system is quite well covered. I have not been able to find like information for the Argus system. Jim
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Re: Argus Oil lubrication pump / distributors draw
Antworten #1 - 10.10.2015 um 10:20:21
 
Welcome Jim Allen!
 
The o-ring is 15,5mm x 3,8mm. If someone knows a source for the particular distributor parts many people here would be happy.
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Antworten #2 - 10.10.2015 um 17:16:55
 
Hi Jim,
Manfred has offered the O-Ring beginning this year, maybe he still has some.  
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Reinhard
Zitat von syncroma am 20.03.2015 um 19:09:08:
Hallo Forum!  Smiley
Habe mir den O-Ring für die Argus-Zentralschmierpumpe
gekauft: 10 Stück kosten genausoviel wie 2
deshalb zu verkaufen
8 mal O-Ring 15,5mm x 3,8 mm
Stck 2,48 €  Grinsend (Selbstkostenpreis)
plus Porto
Gruß Manfred  (PN oder E-mail)
manfred.schmelz@web.de
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Re: Argus Oil lubrication pump / distributors draw
Antworten #3 - 11.10.2015 um 22:52:02
 
Thank you for the information. The source of O Rings for the Argus pump is super.  The real difficult topic of  Manschettenkolben.  This morning I sent an email to Vogel in Berlin.  Likely I know the response. However if they can not or will not provide a source of supply perhaps they will provide a drawing. From the drawing a decision could be made on how to reproduce the rubber pistons . I can completely understand why they would not have interest in these little parts. However to think used pistons are anything more than luck for a the best solution for the repair of oil distributors.  This does not address the requirement for Argus Manschettenkolben. I do not even know where to start with the Argus products.   There has to be a solution. Lippen versiegelt Lippen versiegelt.
 
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Re: Argus Oil lubrication pump / distributors draw
Antworten #4 - 15.10.2015 um 02:25:31
 
I assume you have the manual for it. I purchased the rubber o-rings for the distribution valves from someone in Germany. This is the same person that the Classic Centre uses to rebuild them. I can look it up if needed.
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Antworten #5 - 15.10.2015 um 18:48:29
 
I have the manual. Since the classic center uses your source to rebuild the lubrication systems, perhaps he has found a source for the rubber pistons for both Argus and Vogel oil distributors. There has to be an answer for these parts.  Jim
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Antworten #6 - 15.10.2015 um 23:51:57
 
I will go through my receipts and get you the contact details.
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Re: Argus Oil lubrication pump / distributors draw
Antworten #7 - 15.10.2015 um 23:54:06
 
Hello Jim, as you probably know, the SKF/Vogel central lubrication systems are still among the market leaders worldwide. The distributors have however been redesigned. In the original system (used in Mercedes 170 etc) the necessary pressure for feeding the lubricated spots came from the air cushion in the distributor metering nipple. To avoid problems due to air leakage and to obtain independence in orientation of the distributor, this since has been changed so that the pressure is obtained by a spring-loaded piston in the distributor. In all other aspects however the distributor functions exactly the same way and the tube diameter 4 mm is still used. You may look at the new design here:
 
http://www.skf.com/group/products/lubrication-solutions/lubrication-system-compo nents/lubricant-metering-devices/single-line-lubricant-metering-devices/re-lubrication-metering-devices/370/index.html
 
The distributors (series 370) are listed in the SKF catalog on pp 62 ff:
 
http://www.skf.com/binary/21-30904/1-5001-EN.pdf
 
Due to the differences in design, it will of course be necessary to change the tubing a bit if you choose to replace your old distributor with a new one. But the function will be the same.
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Re: Argus Oil lubrication pump / distributors draw
Antworten #8 - 16.10.2015 um 18:27:38
 
Jan, I have received information from SKF (Vogel) in the USA. They have contacted Berlin. Berlin sent the following part numbers Seal or piston 301-024-2 and the corresponding Spring 301-026. They also sent the drawings of these parts. I was able to reference them to the original parts.  The pistons are slightly different however the drawings show a design change in 1997 and a review in 2003.  I believe these are replacement parts for the original oil distributors. The DIN 7306 10.2 x13 x.8 fiber sealing rings are not available that I have found. 10 v 14 yes.   However I machine the original diameters from larger fiber rings. In today's correspondence  there was not mention if stock was available. So naturally it is Friday evening in Berlin so it will be three days at best before I know if there is a source of stock. The drawings were a great assistance. Perhaps this week end I will read up on how to make precision low production rubber parts!!! I certainly hope there is stock and I do not have to machine a mold. My desire is to keep the system 100% original if at all possible. Once the Vogel code is cracked then I will work on the Argus piston requirements. I do not want to put my system back together with old pistons. After 60 years the pistons function like myself almost like good as new. I think I can improve on this.  Thank You,  Jim
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Re: Argus Oil lubrication pump / distributors draw
Antworten #9 - 18.10.2015 um 19:33:03
 
Hello, the fibre sealing ring 10 x 13 x 1,0 you may find e. g. here. Nominal dimension 10 mm means physically 10,2 mm. I doubt that these rings will be available in 0,8 mm thickness though. The difference in my opinion is unsubstantial.
 
http://www.lelebeck.de/2600.htm
 
I also attach a drawing of the Vogel seal, based on the measurements I have made on my own original parts. Maybe it can be of any help for you. It would be interesting to compare it with the one you got from SKF.
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Re: Argus Oil lubrication pump / distributors draw
Antworten #10 - 23.10.2015 um 22:20:21
 
I will attempt to attach the Vogel drawing. If it does not come through I will try again until I susceed
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Antworten #11 - 23.10.2015 um 22:32:00
 
I believe it went through. I will now attempt to add the spring drawing. Thank you for the source of supply for the seal rings. I have made about 75 of them. They are quite easy to make. I use a larger 10 mm seal ( fiber washer) and stack them on a mandrel and turn them down on the lathe. Quite simple actually, but certainly not as simple as purchasing them. In the good old USA we have our system of measurement based on our Mother Country's measurement system. Oh it would be so much better if we were on the metric system. I know in Sweden you have the reverse problem with American cars there.  In reality metric hardware is not difficult to obtain in the USA. Had I looked longer I would have found a source of supply for the 10.13 seals. However with time on my hands and a beautiful Italian Lathe, I got to relive my youth machining non metallic small parts.
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Antworten #12 - 25.10.2015 um 00:46:19
 
Thanks for the drawing!
 
Do you have the o-ring? I still have some.
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Antworten #13 - 25.10.2015 um 21:36:45
 
Hello Jim, thanks a lot for the drawings. It seems that the seal has been modified over time. As far as I can imagine though, the only really important things about this seal is 1) the flat surfaces in either end that act as valves 2) the overall thickness of 4 mm which defines the travel 3) that there is a grip for the spring in one end. Based upon these three parameters, I suggest a simplified design as in the attached drawing. In my opinion, it should function just as well as the original seal but is a lot easier to manufacture, e. g. by milling 1,5 mm deep circular grooves in a 4 mm rubber sheet and then punching out the seal. What would you say about this?
 
In Sweden, there is no problem finding inch dimensions of bolts etc. In fact, in the 1960s and even '70s, much machinery was still based on the inch system. Volvo cars into the '80s had engines with inch dimensions etc. To this day, inch dimensions are used in carpentry (disguised by using metric names on them - a two-by-four always was 45 x 95 though).
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Re: Argus Oil lubrication pump / distributors draw
Antworten #14 - 26.10.2015 um 14:23:28
 
Bela I do not have the O Rings yet. I will be in Germany starting 9 November. Frankfurt, Dusseldorf,Hannover and other stops. You chasing the parts is like trying to push pasta.  No actuall it is all wonderful for me. Smiley
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